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=HT=Gnard_Smasha · Mar 23, 2007, 03:51 AM // 03:51

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Originally Posted by Lord-UWR

For God's sake people, first wait until you read the article...then start flaming, or even quitting...I just got my copy, and read the article. I must say, it is simply amazing, and until an hour ago, I hated GW2, and now I cannot wait for it...JUST CLOSE THOSE MOUTHS FOR NOW...READ THE ARTICLE...THEN GIVE YOU OPINION...sorry for caps...something else: by the time GW2 comes out, I'm gonna be in university, so I will buy it as a loyalty thing, probably the collector's edition too if that happens, but not gonna play that much.

In the article something about EVENTS is mentioned...It is simply a combination of quests, missions, and social events...read into it.

Thank You! Thank You!! Thank You!!!

People, stop giving half-baked opinions on something that isn't even IN BETA YET!!!! I don't subscribe to PC Gamer, but you can sure bet that I'll be at Wal-Mart at midnight when they put out the magazine so I can get ten copies of it and each one of my characters will have a new mini-pet, even tho I know that I CAN'T take it with me. Why? 'Cause I like the game. Just like I like Warcraft I, II, and even III. I go back and play them time and time again. Same with Diablo I AND II. It's always fun to go back and play them, just like I'll enjoy going back and playing my old characters again and again(yes, all ten of them) Personally, I can't wait until it goes gold, because this time, I'll be the first in line to get one. And having a relative that works at a game store isn't going to hurt, either.

Disappointed that I can't use my characters in Guild Wars II? Nope. Not at all. Fresh start, fresh game, continuation of a storyline, and the connector being that my character can be related to an unlucky drunkard! It's "a couple of hundred years in the future", not next week, people. Get over it. It continues a storyline. No one lives forever. Having your character "jump thru a hole in the space/time continuum" is just a little to much like sci-fi, NOT fantasy-fi(is that a word?), and that's what you would have to do. I'm sorry, this means that you'll actually have to Play the game a little longer before you can stand around in the outpost/city/village and proclaim, "I ROXXOR, U DON'T U NOOB, STFU, IM SO 1337. Wanna buy my axe for 1000p?"

Higher Level caps(100+)- I think this could be a bad idea. I introduces the whole "lvl Grind" thing, which I'm already doing(notice I said DOING, not HAVING TO DO) in order to try and get sunspear promotion points. Why am I doing it? I don't have a clue, it's just fun. And it'll be fun in Guild Wars II as well; I just don't want to be stuck try to complete a quest/mission and not knowing where to go or how to complete it, only to be told, "OMGZZOR, ur only level30?? Gawd, noobr, go grind smwher els tl u get high lvl liek me."(Can you say, "GLF 90+warrior to tank for us") And, yes, I've been told that, AND kicked from a group simply because I wasn't a "high enough level" for them, even tho my 14th level Paragon/Elementalist was taking out groups of four 15th level monsters with nothing but 12 level Koss to back her up.

Before anyone starts to flame me for not "investing" a lot of time and money, let me say that I bought Prophecies about 3 months after it hit the shelves($35US), finished the campaign with the help of some guildmates, unlocked ALMOST all of the skills and what-not for my warrior/monk, then promptly bought the Collectors Edition when I saw it on the shelf($60US). I got deployed to Afghanistan for a year and when I came back, I saw a three pack in the local PX that had the GOTY edition of Prophecies with Factions and Nightfall. Bought them($95). Then learned that there was a Collectors edition of Nightfall. Bought it($70US). Then went and bought 3 more character slots for a total of ten($30). Now, there's and expansion pack for Nightfall(unknown amount) So, in the two years that I've been playing, I've spent over $300US on this game. To me, WORTH EVERY PENNY!! And if Gaile or anyone from ArenaNet DOES read this post, I WILL be buying Guild Wars II and any chapters that come out.

Bysheon · Mar 23, 2007, 04:11 AM // 04:11

First off, I´ve been reading guides and what not here on gwguru for over a year now, but never registered until now. And this is my first post. Heya.

I´ve read the first 14 pages in this thread, so sorry if I´ve missed Gailes “we take it all back, we respect you” on page 45. And god job on the compilation, Inde.

My general two cents on this two thingies:

GWEN. Niiice. I like - sounds like an intelligent, fun new content without new professions, which I think is good.

Ok, then the GW2, I certainly will not even consider buying the game unless I can transfer my chars and gears. That´s out of the question. And since Anet doesn´t seem to wanna enable that (they use technical difficulties as an excuse) I´m not gonna buy it, simple as that. Actually it´s a slap in the face from the devs not enabling that. Anet, if you seriously don´t have the decency to do that, at least have the self respect to be honest about your priorities. You simply don´t think it´s worth the effort, you count on getting fresh, new players for the sequal, far more than you think you risk loosing from the oldies. But you´ve underestimated that risk, I´ll tell you that. Even if some of the angry will come around – and they will, of course -, many more than you think will simply quit the game. In fact, not so few have already quit the game. Not to mention the PR dark shadow this cast on you. People are bitter, rightliously. I´m not even gonna bother making arguments. I know how it works, Anet knows and Gaile know it to. I´ve just been playing this game for a year now, meaning I´ve hardly just getting started, and I´m certenly not even beginning to think about stop playing it, on the contruary. Everybody knows that when you start playing a game like this you plan to play it for a long time (and I don´t mean a couple of years, that´s only a long time when you´re 10 years old), and that feeling only gets stronger the longer you play and the deeper you get into the game, your chars and your friends online. I know MANY players that has grown really fond of their chars, including myself. I love my Aya Sorona necro, my Hy Dexter warrior and all the others. They are my babies. You can´t say that "Uh.. uh.. but youve had fun, havent you? u know its just a game? are you conservative, dont you like new things? this is how things work with this kinda games bla bla". Shut up with that stupid remarks, try to show some god damn dignity, and integrity. The fact that this kind of games often end like this doesn´t make it ok. And yes, Guild Wars (that´s the name, not Guild Wars 1) servers will probably be up even after the release of the sequal, but it´s clear that Anet by then would rather see us stop playing the old game and instead happily embrace the future, stay positive, relax and enjoy the tender anal penetration, and to make that happen they´re not gonna put much effort in making the original game better, richer, bigger and so forth. I´m irritated. I wanna make my own game and do it right. Can anyone teach me how to delevope a mmorpg game?

And about the Guild Wars 2 itself, I think it sounds like it might actually be a great game, but that´s not my point. Not by far..

Quid Pro Quo · Mar 23, 2007, 04:13 AM // 04:13

One thing that is great about a high level cap is that lets you look foward developing your character for a very long time. I have a lot of faith in Anet and I know they could pull off a high level cap in a way that wouldn't hinder play too much. I love the idea.

Master Ypoc · Mar 23, 2007, 05:07 AM // 05:07

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Originally Posted by Shakti

I can tell ya, in the immortal words of Ferris "Life moves pretty fast" 2 years is a very long time. At that point, GW will be 4 years old. How many games have you played without change for 4 years? My answer? None. Other than my old school nintento 64 games but they really aren't the same type at all lol.

news flash shakti

for example:
WOW released in 2004 --> first expansion 2007 the burning crusade --> game with monthly fee

GW released 2005--> two chapters six month time span between each, the game as almost 2 years--> a 1 year earlier release year news of a "TOTTALY" NEW GAME--> the news of a release of a 4th "just to be cute" chapter to a game that will be obsolete in 1/1,5 years--> no monthly fees.

now Anet discovered that they can't compete with the others games of the same type with the chapter strategy they used --> well they use the frame of the old game and create a new picture throwing us a bone in the meanwhile with a 4th chapter...

since we're talking about good MMORPG's everyone expects it to have a more acceptable life time always with great quality IMHO.

i think GW is a great game and i enjoy the time i play it, not talking about money, and i think evolution is always good, but i don't think quantity equals quality.

well at this pace 2 years from the release of GW2 if Anet remembers to create a "tottaly" new GW, the drone gamers go buy it and throw the old one to the garbage like we are gonna do with the one we have now...

if things gonna work like that i'd prefer paying a monthly fee to play this type of game, that gives me a certain notion that i will see the game improved instead of almost starting from scratch or becoming quickly obsolete.

hell, if Anet can ask me if i want to make a fresh start, after spending my money and specially my time, the least i can do is demand the best game ever from the start.

Poda · Mar 23, 2007, 05:12 AM // 05:12

One thing I'm curious about in GW2 is "linking" your new characters to your old (descendants). How will this system work? In order to keep titles and such, will your new char name have to be exactly the same? will it have to be the same last name? or can it be a totally new name and have the new character still be associated as a "descendant?"

Master Ypoc · Mar 23, 2007, 05:28 AM // 05:28

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Originally Posted by Poda

One thing I'm curious about in GW2 is "linking" your new characters to your old (descendants). How will this system work? In order to keep titles and such, will your new char name have to be exactly the same? will it have to be the same last name? or can it be a totally new name and have the new character still be associated as a "descendant?"

sorry but you're post made me remember that line:

"i see dead people.."

p.s.- i think we will have to name the characters like this: (character name) Junior

because of his great grandfather..

RhanoctJocosa · Mar 23, 2007, 05:37 AM // 05:37

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Originally Posted by Master Ypoc

sorry but you're post made me remember that line:

"i see dead people.."

p.s.- i think we will have to name the characters like this: (character name) Junior

because of his great grandfather..

That's pathetic.

The Leviathan · Mar 23, 2007, 05:39 AM // 05:39

I agree with the above posters who are saying to chill to something that hasn't even come out yet. Seriously, and for God's sake if you're complaining about not being able to take your character over then maybe you should consider the phrase "Nothing lasts forever". If you want, and I know I will, you can still play GW1. As far as I know they are going to keep the servers up for GW1 for a while.

At first, everyone is scared of a little change. Nothing wrong with that. But incase you guys did not notice, the game is still two years away from release and a year away from a decent beta. Most of you are acting out defensively to this but do not realize you still have a lot of time to spend with your old characters, and probably by then you will embrace this change.

There was this exact thing happen in the Runescape community back in the day, without all the little kids. The community wasn't half bad then, and I was very young. Well below the age limit that Jagex had wanted. Anyways, the transfer from RS1 to RS2 eventually passed and everyone accepted it.

Eh, and I predict the same result will be of Guildwars. To relate to Lord_UWR, I also will be working my face off in a university when Guildwars 2 comes out, but I will still pick it up, partially from loyalty, and I will probably still be the gamer I am now.

Long story short, its inevitable. It will happen. There's no sense in trying to resist it. One thing I do not like is that there is a possibility that the cap will be extended... that was one thing I thought separated GW from other MMO's (Such as Runescape... >.>). GW took some strategy, and some skill, unlike other MMO's where it was whoever had been playing the longest won. Infact that's why Anet insists it isn't an MMO.

That is probably the only thing I will not be looking forward to for GW2. I've read the article... and it actually has me excited.

arcanemacabre · Mar 23, 2007, 05:51 AM // 05:51

Because of so many people emotionally linked to their GW account, accomplishments, and virtual gear... I actually wish the servers suddenly had a huge burp and accidently just deleted everyone's characters. Put us back to square one - Fight Club style!

It really is just a game, folks. Don't give me that "lost time" crap, either. You had fun during the journey, right? If not, why did you do it? To show off? It's not the destination that's important in a video game.

Nanood · Mar 23, 2007, 05:55 AM // 05:55

Sounds great

< Puts hand up for being a bets tester >

Smurf Minions · Mar 23, 2007, 06:08 AM // 06:08

All people are complaining about something in gw2. You don't have to buy it, gw1 will live on if so many people don't like gw2, they will keep playing gw1, and why not buy eye of the north, it sounds great, and after that there will be another 1-1.5 before gw 2 comes out. So what's the problem, gw doesn't die:S

Samueldg · Mar 23, 2007, 06:54 AM // 06:54

*warning support for a higher lvl cap*

from a marketing view, making the max lvls in the 100+ range will get many who currently play wow into GW.. IMO a smart idea.. since the cost of a monthly fee is WHY I dont goto wow.

if you take into consideration how many people came from diablo this makes even more sense.. many players who are into pve much more than pvp now get a greater pay off in playing long term in gw2.

*applaud*

from the sounds of it, the new lvl cap will not effect pvp as we currently know it.. ( the structured pvp ) which means we got the standard diablo-esque pvp inside the pve envorinment. ( yay! drop your gold or loose it mr. farm boy!) since Guildwars is very much monetary based and not item based this makes farming pvp viable. ( one of the things about early diablo that was fun, you could pvp but you lost gold. if you where a good pvper you where never broke, then when gold lost all its value.. well.. that system went out the window)
this new pvp inside the pve would make all of us farming grinders enjoy the whole pvp more since there is a "reason" to kill that guy whos taunting you..

while I am a bit dismayed about spending 120.00 bucks on three games for GW for it to come to naught in the end ( ref; d2lod went for what seven years and is still going? IMO thats a good investment) It is hearening to see anet finally realizing there is a market they excluded and getting that market will make them a lot of bank.. ( if they steal the d2 Evercrack and WOW crowds the amount of sales will be sick)

Marquis Elmdor · Mar 23, 2007, 07:10 AM // 07:10

Why do ppl want to take their characters into GW2? To start with an advantage over other ppl and cause imbalance in the game from the very beginning? Or maybe to tell other ppl "LOOK AT ME IM FAR SUPERIOR THAN U, AND U WILL NEVER REACH ME", something that no one wants. (just look at all the ppl complaining about the level cap)

If its for some kind of sentimental reason, well surely u will be able to create another human with the same class and the same name, cause u will be able to reserve it.

Did u think that u would be playing with that char forever? Everything has an end, including all of us. Oh but wait, in fact GW will still be operating when GW2 comes out, so it will be like u were traveling with ur char to another lands

.

If u want to keep ur char because of the money u spent on the chapters, just imagine ppl that pays monthly fees.

Changes are inevitable, u all knew this would happen someday, and besides that, changes are good!, and necessary. If u want to stick with the same game, chars, graphics, and feel, go and play something like wow, that after 148401 years launches an expansion that increases... 10 levels, wooooooah. (pretty senseless if u ask me)

Come on ppl, everyone will be starting fresh new, and i know it will be funny as hell. Anet here is trying to do something that i think they wanted to do since they work in the game industry. They are moving foward and making their dreams come true. They will give us a free-subscription MMORPG, and besides that there will be some radical changes, hey!, they r the same guys that brought us this wonderful game called Guild Wars, and, at least me, think that Guild Wars 2 will RULE, and at the same time keep the essence that we loved so much from the first one.

If u dont want to buy it, then dont. But Im SURE that thousands of ppl, including me, will be buying the game and having some real fun! ;D

Cya!

dlonyaR · Mar 23, 2007, 07:11 AM // 07:11

Relax...guilds Wars 2 Is Just An April Fool's Joke...sheesh

Miral · Mar 23, 2007, 08:05 AM // 08:05

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Originally Posted by Zedd Kun

I think GW2 is going to be leet..

or at its core, completely evil... look at the middle of the number of views o.O

Dalmascan Princess · Mar 23, 2007, 08:24 AM // 08:24

@ Ruby Lightheart:
(Sorry the answer comes late, but it's early morning here and I was asleep until half an hour ago. ^.~)
You say GW2 (if it turns out to be the way you expect it to be after reading the article) has so little to do with GW that you have no reason to buy it. Fine. Your opinion. You won't play it, no one (who doesn't know you) will care, life goes on etc. Okay. The one question I still have is why you post here repeatedly if you just state your opinion over and over again. "Nothing you say will change my mind" you've said, fine, but if you don't want to discuss, not even a tiny little bit, then what are you doing here? Stating one's opinion is great and all, but if that's all you do - why do it over and over again?

@ the "GWEN/playing GW is useless/worthless now" people:
I still don't get it, but I'm still trying to understand you. Yes, I'm a persistent little brat. ^.~ What makes GW less fun now? The fact that you know there will be another game set in the same world were you have the chance to play/must play different characters? Remember, you can still play GW after GW2 comes out. You can even play both! Saying "but GW won't count for anything once GW2 is on" doesn't convince me: Do you really need a fanbase focused on GW to feel that something you do in a game is "worth" something? Do you really only play to be able to think you're special?

@ the "GW is already dying" people:
How come you say that? GW2 won't be "there" until at least 2 years from now. That's longer than GW has been around so far. Are people already dying because they are fifty (and most likely won't live to be 100)?
Talk about the ultimate ragequit...

I know I've already asked some of these questions. But I want anwers, damnit, not more whining.

@ the "GW2 will be a WoW clone/just another (bad) MMO because..." people:

... because there will be multible playable races: And that makes it a clone? Oh please. There are hundreds of games with multiple playable races and I doubt it'll damage the quality. If anything, it'll mean more customisation/more possibilities, and are you really going to say that is a bad thing?

... because of the new level cap/grinding: I hate grinding. It's my least favourite part in any game that has it. I'd be seriously disappointed if GW turned out to be that way. IF. I said it before, I'll say it again: We know next to nothing about the new level system. You can whine all you want about the idea, but until (and I doubt it'll happen) we know for sure that GW2 will be a grindfest, STOP saying it will suck because of this. Seriously.

@, once again, the "Anet broke their promise of making a new campain for GW every 6 month" people:
I have an honest question for all of you: If I promised you to give you a candy every month, but then find one that might taste much better, yo I'll give you that one (maybe not every month but every second month), AND also let you keep the old ones (that can be eaten as often as you like), would you whine that I broke my promise too and that people should quit "supporting" me in any way?
Because that's basically what your doing. Anet will concentrate in GW2, but you will still be able to play what you have, i.e. GW2. Okay, you might not agree with the "GW2 = tastier candy" metaphor, but even if you don't like it, assume that lots and lots of people will. Should I stop giving people the "better" candy because you don't like it? Should Anet abandon GW2 for a "lesser" game because some people don't like it?
Besides, "a game every six months" was more like a plan than a promise anyway...

[edited for spelling]

RhanoctJocosa · Mar 23, 2007, 08:35 AM // 08:35

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Originally Posted by arcanemacabre

Because of so many people emotionally linked to their GW account, accomplishments, and virtual gear... I actually wish the servers suddenly had a huge burp and accidently just deleted everyone's characters. Put us back to square one - Fight Club style!

It really is just a game, folks. Don't give me that "lost time" crap, either. You had fun during the journey, right? If not, why did you do it? To show off? It's not the destination that's important in a video game.

You're right, it's not the destination that is important in a video game. It's the crashing and burning because the destination was blurred.

= ="

arcanemacabre · Mar 23, 2007, 09:06 AM // 09:06

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Originally Posted by RhanoctJocosa

You're right, it's not the destination that is important in a video game. It's the crashing and burning because the destination was blurred.

= ="

There was no clear-cut destination, unless you count beating the endgame bosses, or PvP. Any other destination was created by the players in the form of personal goals, and further improved upon by the designers (like titles, expensive armors/weapons, elite areas, etc.) just to give that type of player more to do. Any blurring or dissemination within that destination is entirely in minds of the players themselves.

No one ever said you had to do any of that. The point is that if you're not having fun reaching for a destination, ie the journey, then you really shouldn't put yourself through it. It's why I don't play DoA anymore. It's why I don't do any high-end PvP. Those things just aren't fun to me.

Many people are so stuck on "working" for everything in the game, setting their sights on that next star, they're losing sight that this is just a game. Working toward a goal is fine IRL, and if the work is fun to you, by all means. But really, if it isn't fun, and you worked hard for that armor, weapon, or title, you're going to be sour when it's taken away from you, and it's gonna be reality slapping you in the face that you should've spent that time having fun.

Ninja Spectre · Mar 23, 2007, 09:17 AM // 09:17

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Originally Posted by arcanemacabre

New slogan for the internet: "People bitch"

Seriously, there was nothing that Anet could do or say that would make 100% of the population happy. The best they can do is shoot for the majority, which I think they did. Now we just have to sit back and listen to the screaming minority.

Its funny how the people against most aspects of GW2, are being called the "minority" I read in your post. have you actually read all pages? we are not the minority...what makes you think your the majority have you asked everyone who plays GW1 what they think of this? I think not.. and the "minority" is not "bitching" we are voicing our concerns. If you consider it "bitching" dont read it and ignore it. Some of us dont want to see guild wars go this way, and this makes us the minority just because you want to see it go this way? well thats not fair. Unless youve spoken to everyone in GW2 and heard theyre "bitching" dont call us the minority...we certainly dont call ourselves the majority, and sure we can scream..if thats one way anet will hear us...we will scream. o0 ok someone quote me now from on of my posts

fun fun..go for it macabre.

StonePony · Mar 23, 2007, 09:48 AM // 09:48

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Originally Posted by Ninja Spectre

Its funny how the people against most aspect of GW2, are being called the "minority" I read in your post. have you actually read all pages? we are not the minority...what makes you think your the majority have you asked everyone who plays GW1 what they think of this? I think not.. and the "minority" is not "bitching" we are voicing our concerns. If you consider it "bitching" dont read it and ignore it. Some of us dont want to see guild wars go this way, and this makes us the minority just because you want to see it go this way? well thats not fair. Unless youve spoken to everyone in GW2 and heard theyre "bitching" dont call us the minority...we certainly dont call ourselves the majority, and sure we can scream..if thats one way anet will hear us...we will scream. o0 ok someone quote me now

fun fun..go for it macabre

The problem is that most of the whiners (I'm not saying you) haven't read the article and don't even appear to be reading the responses in post #1. It's the same "concerns" over and over. Yes, I do believe you are in the minority and I believe a majority of the players that favor GW2 won't be heard from because it would be rather silly to have tons of posts saying "Great idea! /signed".